The extension toggles JS per-domain. I disable it a lot for content sites, but obviously not for web-apps. I disable it as needed. It's just one click to enable-disable on the tab I'm looking at.

Pro tip: try turning JS off and see how that changes things.

...and that is why I have this JS toggle extension installed. A real sanity-saver (on desktop at least). It kills off the BS like nothing else can.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/quick-javascript-switcher/geddoclleiomckbhadiaipdggiiccfje?hl=en

"This comes closest to my reasoning."

Thank-you for chiming in. I'm surprised at how few people related to that point. I'm primarily a dev, but when I immerse my head in code I lose the sense of creativity that I can have in front of a free-form canvas. What little design ability I have suffers when I get tangled in z-index and myriad other gotchas of CSS.

CSS to me quickly becomes a constraint instead of an enabler of creativity.

I agree that this is the right direction for tools. In fact the more a design tool can behave like a design tool while creating an output that is as close to what the developers need, the better. I think we can still do better, particularly on the web design side of things.

I completely understand that. This seems to be the recurring theme.

Yes that does help, thank-you. Designers focusing on design, not code, is sensible given the complexities of real-world code.

I haven't used them yet but try https://tasteminty.com/

Someone learning CSS now wouldn’t need to bother with floats, they can go straight to Flexbox and CSS Grid.

You still need to know floats if you want to, you know, float things next to flowing content. Grid and flexbox don't do that kind of thing.

I think you will see a lot of use of floats given the design power it has gained with shape-outside.

Hrm, the first few convos on spectrum when I loaded it include: - something about creating a python environment - something about creating JS object with keys or whatever - "show us your desktop"

So yeah I'm still looking, but thanks.

Does anybody know of a site or community dedicated to design using web techniologies?

Meaning a community where people talk about leveraging CSS, HTML, SVG and related tech to create good design?

I know there are a lot of showcase sites, but I'm looking for more of a how-to and techniques discussion.

Also there are plenty of web dev discussion, but these are dominated by questions like "Should I learn React or Vue?" which is really not what I'm interested in.

Codrops and Codepen are close I suppose.

Thanks.