Apple's Indies (elischiff.com)
almost 8 years ago from Eli Schiff, elischiff.com
almost 8 years ago from Eli Schiff, elischiff.com
I'm trying to find the design topic here
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it has a lot to do with indie app development, which affects many of the readers here.
still cannot find the design word
Because you don't want to.
DN isn't really design news it's more UI/UX/app/Startup/Apple news
If we wanted to discuss design with no regard to development, we would just hang out on Dribbble. :P
But if you want to discuss development with no regard to design, we can just hang out on Hacker News. : P
We'd need to be about 50% more trivial.
Yeah really. This is not an Apple discussion forum. Can we please have the mods remove these threads?
Ugh can this guy just go away already?
Why should he?
Having a blog does not make someone an authority on an issue. And if you listened to his episode of On The Grid, it was fairly clear that he doesn't think through his view points enough before stating them.
He has every right to post blogs, but I don't understand why people on Designer News keep linking to them.
Posting his post on DN doesn't make him an authority on an issue. He just write essay that people like to talk about. You can put your own blog post in DN if you want.
If you want to criticise him, please do so. That's one of the reason people put it in DN. To discuss things and learn from each other.
Do you really see discussion going on here?
The whole thing with Taylor was staged. Obviously.
Yeah, its all just PR bs.
Why do people keep linking to Eli Schiff as though he is an authority on all issues?
When listening to his episode of On The Grid, it seemed clear to me that Schiff does not give enough thought to what he is saying. It was evident that he is happy to make wide reaching statements, without fully considering their consequences (or opposing view points). And when he isn't doing that, he seems to be throwing out big words surrounded by a bunch of waffle.
To be crass about it, Eli Schiff is talking out of his ass, and I don't see why people keep linking to this work.
Edit: My bad, it's just self promotion.
Edit 2: Feeling a little bad about this post now. So I would add that this phenomenon is not contained to Eli Schiff. Blogs are great, but everyone needs to keep in mind that writing a blog post requires no qualifications and no background knowledge on an issue. It is incumbent upon us to read this stuff with a highly critical eye.
Yeah it seems to me someone came out swinging with a series of controversial (and, I agree, ill considered) posts and suddenly has a recognizable name.
He's at least obviously talented in personal marketing, I suppose.
It's getting comical now.
At first it felt well researched, perhaps a little incendiary, but it felt genuine.
I can't help but feel that Eli is now trolling. There's post after post criticising everything.
No one else is criticising anything (Apple in particular), so maybe someone has to step up. How else will there be less bullshit in our industry?
You don't have to agree with his criticisms; I find that at least some are unfounded, but that could be said of most widely-held positive opinions as well.
He's a critic. That's what he writes about - criticizing design, products, companies, etc. How is that at all comical? There are plenty of people who have writing careers as critics...
And just as there are critics for Music, Food and so on, when it's all rather angry in tone it can feel a little bit forced. I, like a lot of people, like to read music reviews and film reviews (massive fan of Kermode & Simon Mayo) – but if I come across a critic who's always having a moan then I move on. That's what I'm doing here.
when it's all rather angry in tone it can feel a little bit forced
I guess I just don't see the anger. Perhaps it's my background from art school where professors would destroy (literally rip our drawings in half) our work and force us to start over...that didn't come off as angry or mean. It was necessary for improvement.
In fact, I'd get rather upset when no one would give me criticism. I'm not in a critique for my health. I need you to tell me everything that is wrong with this piece of work in raw detail.
I feel like this perpetuation in the tech/design industry of always being "nice"...or not being an "asshole" is literally killing creativity and innovation since companies/designers/developers feel so comfortable about their work because no one is telling them that it's shit.
People need to embrace their shittiness and improve upon it.
but if I come across a critic who's always having a moan then I move on. That's what I'm doing here.
And you're entitled to do that, but again, I just don't see the moan that you do.
I'd be surprised if there's a single designer on this forum who's work isn't regularly torn apart; be that by their Art Teacher, Creative Director or Client -- it's not that I can't stomach the criticism, because our job by it's very nature needs that criticism to exist..
Out of interest, did you see the thread about his post discussing the death of design with its misattributed quotes and all round vitriol? It seemed to come from a bitter place rather than a passionate place. I think that's my "beef", passion vs bitterness.
I'm also gonna follow you on Twitter, I like that you engaged me here in a super level headed way and I've enjoyed it.
interesting. i thought her letter was absolutely scathing; almost threatening at times. i didn't feel as if her praise for apple was softening the blow. to me, it served as context to emphasize how ridiculous the Apple Music policy was.
ps. big fan of the Apple Swift logo dotting the i in Taylor Swift
Agreed. I don't think critique has to be entirely negative to be authentic. Framing this as a "fall from grace" seems all the more damning for them, in my opinion, and was therefore probably more effective in inciting change than just a hit piece.
You should have a word with the new owners, see if you can just embed those donate buttons right here.
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