When I first started out as a designer I lived in the ##design IRC channel. Whenever I just moved one small thing, I would post a screenshot to the chat. Most of the time people would ignore it but some of the time people would say, ‘oh, this part sucks, you need to move it’. That informed everything I know about design and is my inspiration for creating Ocean. I'd love your feedback on the site!
This is interesting. I like the focus on the design critique which is lacking on Dribbble.
What are your thoughts on having the option to hide the feedback from others? Perhaps it's good to allow another designer to critique without the influence of other designer's comments. Plus, if multiple designers comment on the same thing then it became even more meaningful.
This is what Dribbble should've been. You should add a section for people to provide proper context on their design so others can give informed/objective feedback.
Great app tho.
Actually, there is a section for providing proper context, but some people choose to be very brief.
This is a great idea and I've been wanting it for a while. The one thing I would ask is that there be an option for posting items visible only to members.
I feel that in order to put work out there that honestly needs critique is to put yourself into a vulnerable position. To do that requires a safe environment. Airing all your dirty laundry and discussing it in the public does not afford that.
Just consider why people don't post their works in progress on Dribbble.
Thank you! :-)
Here's my reasoning behind keeping it all public: The real value of feedback isn't the changes it helped to make on the current project-- the value comes when feedback affects all future decisions/designs etc. In other words, feedback is most valuable when it affects your understanding or knowledge on a subject. Therefore it's awesome when feedback is public because other people can learn from the feedback even if it's not for their own project.
Any ideas on how to make people more comfortable with posting while still remaining public?
I don't feel like this is a great reason for keeping it public. Anyone who wants to learn from the feedback can just sign up, after all!
I agree that for client work, I'd be hesitant to post here. I wouldn't want a client seeing my work criticized, as it could put my livelihood at risk.
I'm not sure I agree with your argument that outsiders can learn from other people's feedback on other people's projects.
I think the learning comes from creating the best work you possibly can, having it critiqued and then iterating on that feedback.
For an outsider, they are missing the critical first step of thinking through each decision and reaching their potential. In fact, I would argue that there is little learning that can occur because of hindsight bias. By time an outsider sees a project and all the feedback they will say, "of course, I wouldn't have made those mistakes".
Completely agree. Great point.
- You should highlight comments of the user who posted the screenshot so that it's obvious she's talking about her own design.
- On a touch device it's almost impossible to read comments. Whenever you tap on a existing comment, a new comment is added instead. Also you have no "esc" key to cancel the commenting.
- You definitely should give the option to edit your comment after you have posted it. Essential for any commentary system.
- You should better highlight the existing comments. At a "heavy" screenshot (like here: http://ocean.ink/p/show/5467a028e5d2ff020064eb3c) it's very hard to see them.
- You should better foolproof the commenting. Because right now I posted a comment, lost the internet connection meanwhile and my comment was gone. If you encounter a network problem (or Ajax returns an error) you should at least show the text (even if it wasn't posted) so that it isn't gone. Also you should give a status of the posting - like "Your comment is getting posted right now" and then "Your comment was posted".
Apart from that I LOVE your platform and hope that it will be a HUGE success, gain traction and a lot of commenters. This could be something very big!
Thanks for the feedback Christian!!
This is amazing. Love seeing a community built around real feedback.
A couple of things I'd suggest:
A way to upvote/downvote or mark feedback as helpful/unhelpful. Or even guidelines for feedback that are used to evaluate this. Just browsing various posts, I saw some pretty worthless feedback like "not sure about your color scheme." Not specific, not helpful.
A way to hide the circles for the comments. Sometimes they obscure the design so I can't see what the comment is referring to. (Example: "Do you need 2 icons here?" and circle covers the icons completely.) Maybe they could be slightly opaque, etc.
Some sort of information about the people posting. How many years of experience? Is this a creative director or a student? I'd want to know how seriously I should take the commenter. I'm not going to take a random stranger's advice without proof they know what they are talking about. I know that sounds snobby, but for professional work, I think it's a concern.
Thanks so much for the feedback!!
Currently you can only upvote feedback, but in the future we will add downvoting for people with a certain amount of reputation on the site.
There actually is a way to hide the comment dots, but it's quite hard to nice the option currently. The option is next to the comment count and reads, "Hide Comments."
As I mentioned earlier, we will be adding a rep system that should hopefully cover judgement of experience of commenters. Do you think we should add job titles too?
Oops, sorry about that! I guess this is how user feedback usually goes right? People not having a clue what they are talking about. :)
I didn't realize the arrow was an upvote button. Maybe just needs a different treatment to make the use more clear.
The "hide comments" link is kinda hard to find, and have to scroll to top to use it, which is awkward. If I use it, I can't look at the comments at all! Would be nice to have some way to see what the circle refers to while still reading the comments.
Rep system might work or job titles might work. Just some clear way to communicate experience level. Also, I'd use this in other ways, by looking for designers with less experience, and commenting on their uploads more than others. This appeals to me, because on sites like Dribbble, more experienced designers tend to get more comments. Would love to see that inverted.
Hey Jarrod! Thanks for the feedback.. here are some updates :). We added a rep system and we're working on making the "hide comments" more clear.
Great idea! I will definitely come back and provide some feedback on the designs and also post screenshots of my own work. Thank you!
<3 Thank you!
I love it! Long time I'm looking for a place to get real feedback from other designers, and to give mine. I like the fact that you can add a spot right at the place you want to give a comment on. That would avoid the dribbble style "wow", "cool".... etc. But it's not appropriate when you want to give a global feedback on the design, which is not necessary linked to a precise spot on the design. And it force to click on every spot (difficult to spot precisely on ipad!).
Could we have all the comments also visible as a list below the design?
Thank you! :D
I think that's an excellent idea. Also, in addition to having a list of comments at the bottom we can add a comment box down there too. This would also address the global feedback issue you pointed out.
And one more thing (feedback):
- It should be possible to add a general comment to a design, not to a specific part. Because sometimes I just want to say "Looks great, I wouldn't change anything". But now, where should I put that?
Great idea, I love that the focus is on actual feedback! Kinda like a crowdsourced version of RedPen.
Thank you :D
This is awesome I've been needing a community like this since Zurb shut down Forrst. I'm actually still bitter that I didn't get a beta invite to Tavern since I was a paid Forrst member and all.
Thank you! :-).. I miss Forrst :/
Reminds me of Hunie, I was surprised not to see it mentioned here. It's funny how quickly people forget older products once they're not the latest trend anymore…
But hopefully Ocean can succeed where Hunie didn't and become the go-to place for design critiques :)
It will! Thanks for the feature in Sidebar <3
Wow, this looks awesome! Been browsing around a bit but haven't uploaded something myself yet, I'm wondering if you have @2x support? Most designs look like crap on my retina display currently.
Thank you!! No @2x support yet- but it's coming very very very soon!
Love it. Experiencing an issue seeing some comments that are near the edge of the browser. The comments should relocate to fit within the browser window. I'l definitely give this a whirl in future projects!
Thanks Jordan! I'll get that fixed super soon :-).
Congrats on the launch, Henry! _^
I just signup 10 minutes ago but I'm feeling comfortable inside, it's a Plus.
You have awesome product, less options but straight to the point.
I like the easy interface, but not too sure about typography and some colors options..
Keep it simple, good luck :)
I'm glad you're enjoying the swim- and that the water is nice and warm! ;-)
Thanks for the feedback!
I'm stuck in a loop on 'Last step... What's your email?', i can't get past it at the moment, every time i try i get a new welcome email
Thanks so much for the heads up! I just pushed a fix that should resolve that issue. Is it working now?