Hi there. Thanks for the submission.
I'm the designer of Webhook. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask!
I've become really comfortable with Jekyll as of late. I use it to build all of my websites now and do rapid prototypes.
I've been wondering how Webhook compares to something like Jekyll (I do realise it's quite different).
Can you set up the sort of workflow that compiles Sass, templates etc while live reloading the browser? For me, that's the most important thing - a speedy workflow. If there was a smooth way to use Webhook like I use Jekyll - that would be really amazing.
Webhook was inspired by static site generators like Jekyll and Cactus. If you're familiar with either you'll be right at home.
It's essentially Jekyll with an admin panel for your clients. Imagine if you could write something as easy as Jekyll, but still deploy the website and have it be editable by others. Thtat's why we built it. To fill that one, nagging problem with static site generators.
Fantastic. Sounds just what I've been looking for!
A great product to be sure but 9 dollars a month is way too steep for me. Especially considering that I have been using WP on and off for several years and can do this all by hand.
(edit: it's incredibly annoying to do but not $108 dollars a year annoying)
We get this all the time and I just don't get this comment anymore, especially at $9. I want to say up front this response is not directed personally at you, it's just at the thought that better software isn't worth paying for.
To me it's really just how you want to spend your time. I dunno what you charge hourly, but if we save you even an hour per site it's suddenly worth it. The install process takes all of 30 seconds, you get instant one-click deploys and I can only assume our form-builder saves hours or days of time versus setting up your models through PHP code or something like ACF. I don't know how much more time we can save you. You literally will never have to worry about the ops side of your sites ever again. It deploys staticly and will likely never go down... unless google cloud storage suddenly blows up. Your site data? It's in a portable firebase and is real-time JSON. You can do ANYTHING with data stored that way. It's an instant API.
I built Webhook because I was tired of how crufty things were in the CMS world, not just Wordpress. Like you said, you can do all this by hand if you want. Great, so can I, but why would I want to? Seriously, there is a better way to do all of this these days. Installation, deployment, setting up simple models, scaling with traffic, or hell, just entering in some data to a form. All of it. It all is kinda crappy right now because we're using these systems built on ten-year old ideas. It's time to try something different.
Granted, you know Wordpress now. You'd have to spend a day or two learning Webhook. I'll give you that. That's time. Time you might not have today. But I don't see how cost can be the reason if it genuinely speeds up your build. If it doesn't have the features you need sure (maybe you need internationalization, or frontend login and user facing forms, we're not there yet, check back later), but cost? $9? Just keeping up with version and security updates alone is worth that to me!
I guess what I'm saying is we're trying to build something better. Not a cheaper version of what you're using now. Something honest to goodness better that solves 80% of the common content-site use cases. We're not doing it in a greedy way. We're charging what we need to keep improving. The entirety of Webhook is open source. You're free to set up your own server.
Most websites are pretty simple. The tools should match.
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Personally I think $9 a month is fantastic value. Plus if you don't want to pay that, you can host it yourself right?
I'm really excited to give Webhook a try. Is it something that clients could use easily? Or is it only aimed at devs?
It's aimed at both. You get the ease of something like a static site generator. They get a custom CMS that isn't a blog backend trying to be a site admin. As they make changes on the live site, we rebuild the site staticly, which means it's rock solid and will never go down to traffic spikes.
We get this all the time and I just don't get this comment anymore, especially at $9
There are plugins like magic-fields that do the same thing for free. You can't argue with free.
edit: I didn't read the part about the self-hosted version. Which is a definite plus.
Well, you can argue with free. First, you're likely not using free hosting for your Wordpress. Your $9 is is also paying for great hosting. Second, if you want to deal with the bulk and slowness that comes with Wordpress, great, but for many it's overkill and this is a great solution.
There is still a lot of development you need to do with that plugin in order to get the data to show up on the frontend.
Pros Webhook has over magic fields
- Built in drag-n-drop custom form / editor management. No need to worry about updating outdate plugins or breaking themes from plugin incompatibility.
I can't tell you how many times I've updated Wordpress and it broke because a plugin wasn't compatible with the latest ver of wordpress. It is extremely frustrating and time wasting.
- Webhook automatically generates a bare bones scaffolding template from the forms you put together. Saving tons of time on development.
I spent weeks in Wordpress building a movie trailer site. With webhook, I duplicated the same site on a saturday and still had time to go out for drinks afterwards.
Magic Fields may be a free plugin, but it also doesn't include amazing support or steady updates.
- Since it is a WP plugin, it's storing data via MySQL database, adding more load to your site. Make no mistake, Magic Fields and all the other plugins that enable to do what Webhook does natively, add an extra load time to your site.
Webhook is a static site generator so your users don't have to wait an extra second or two while your server pulls data from the DB.
Just try it. It has a 14 day demo. Do what I did, duplicate a project you made with Wordpress, and then you might change your mind.
Also, $9 a month for cloud hosting alone is a good deal.