So you say you want some brutalism?(s-i-l-o.fr)

2 years ago from Ken Em

  • Andrew Richardson, 2 years ago

    This is somewhat beautiful, but also entirely unusable.

    13 points
    • Sacha GreifSacha Greif, 2 years ago

      "Usability" is relative. A ladder is less "usable" than an elevator, but they have different purposes and use cases.

      I think your critique is totally valid (and I'm not saying that's what you're doing), but I also want to push back against usability as a hammer to beat down any new or weird idea that doesn't conform to established patterns or expectations.

      19 points
      • Andrew C, 2 years ago

        He’s not comparing ladders to elevators here. He’s comparing websites to websites.

        14 points
        • Stuart McCoyStuart McCoy, 2 years ago

          Yes, however, an commerce website is going to be less useful than a news website when you want to read up on current events (i.e. ladder vs. elevator)

          2 points
          • Andrew C, 2 years ago

            And which use case do you think this style would make more usable?

            1 point
            • Corin EdwardsCorin Edwards, 2 years ago

              A music label whose practice is contextual and experimental.

              A publishing house that combines artists' books, experimentation with printing techniques and web publications.

              1 point
            • Stuart McCoyStuart McCoy, 2 years ago

              I never said it was usable, I merely suggested that Sacha was not merely comparing websites to websites and offered an example of why the more nuanced comparison of ladders to elevators was appropriate.

              0 points
      • Jan SemlerJan Semler, 2 years ago

        Nice Analysis. My take on it is that nowdays Usability is just a another term that helps driving conversions. Like User Experience. Thing is that a lot of designers currently designing not neccessary for a better usage as for conversions. But that is just an opinion that i got. So therefore every break in the rule is welcome and might helps us questing ourself if we are still with the user. I think we as designers have a responsibility when we designing products.

        -2 points
        • Andrew C, 2 years ago

          Usability is about helping users achieve their goals with the least amount of confusion and failure. Sometimes (okay often) that’s conversions. But ”uuuuser” experience is the point.

          0 points
    • Corin EdwardsCorin Edwards, 2 years ago

      What about it can't be used?

      AAA colour contrast, menu with a text label instead of an obtuse icon, full screen loading bar that doesn't obscure content, dark mode...

      actually seems very useable to me, more so than familiar sites.

      -3 points
      • Daniel GoldenDaniel Golden, 2 years ago

        Lack of visual hierarchy.

        10 points
        • Corin EdwardsCorin Edwards, 2 years ago

          It clearly does have a visual heirarchy. Using scale and proximity to organise material.

          What it doesn't do is use weak fading greys to order its information by obfuscation.

          -1 points
      • Adam Fisher-CoxAdam Fisher-Cox, 2 years ago

        It meets a checklist, that doesn't mean it's good. You have to also look at if it's easy to find what you want, focus on the correct information, etc. I know my eyes go everywhere and nowhere when I look at this site.

        1 point
        • Corin EdwardsCorin Edwards, 2 years ago

          Your darting eyes are simply more suited to conservative trends. This experience is built for people who want to be challenged by their visual environment.

          It's easy to fall in to the trap of feeling that our own experience is universal. Other people are different to us and want different things.

          -1 points
          • Adam Fisher-CoxAdam Fisher-Cox, 2 years ago

            Yes, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong or you're right. Liking it is also just your opinion. This website goes against many traditionally accepted rules of good design, but at the end of the day, if this website has a goal beyond experimentation you'd need to verify that it actually achieves that.

            1 point